Nichole: I saw the most aggressive sweatshirt today. Oh. And I was on my walk. There was this guy just standing on the sidewalk. But he was wearing pajama pants. And the sweatshirt that on the back said, I avoid shit because my temper goes from zero to life in prison in two seconds.

What?

Daniel: Jesus Christ. What?

Nichole: No, that's not only

Daniel: aggressive. It is disconcertingly thorough.

Nichole: I'm just like, I don't understand where the avoiding shit Like, what, what are you running from man?

Laurel: it's like weirdly on the cusp of self-aware,

Daniel: I'm going to now talk shit about self-awareness. being

Nichole: should we prepare ourselves?

Daniel: Yeah. Everybody buckle up.

Nichole: All right.

Daniel: Yeah. It's a hot take.

Doesn't fucking matter if you're self-aware, if you're just self-aware that you're shitty and you're not doing anything about being shitty.

Nichole: Yeah,

Laurel: yeah,

Nichole: yeah.

Daniel: Okay. I wasn't that hot of a take.

I've done just enough therapy to know that I'm dangerous.

Nichole: This man has not been to therapy.

Daniel: Maybe the therapist gave him the sweatshirt. Like the way that you give a like, don't touch me jacket to a dog.

Nichole: Don't touch me. let's say I wanted to pick a fight on the street with somebody.

Laurel: Yeah.

Nichole: That sweatshirt is not gonna stop me.

Daniel: I think it's really interesting choice to have an agro message on the back of your sweatshirt is it like the physical manifestation of like passive aggressive

Nichole: if you're walking away from somebody?

Daniel: Yeah.

Laurel: Yeah. But the whole thing is passive aggressive. ' being like, I avoid shit because I'll get so aggressive that I'll do a murder

Nichole: It reminds me of. one of the best ad campaigns I've ever seen in my life.

Daniel: Buy this product or I will kill you.

Nichole: No. seven up in the early two thousands had a spokesperson who was wearing a shirt that on the front said, make seven and on the backside up yours. And so he was walking down the street and people were like offended by his shirt. one great marketing, two instant merch. Like you sell that shirt at hot Topic.

Daniel: I don't know. we're sassy and a little bit risque as a soda company. all I can say is it's, it's, no, I'm a pepper. You're a pepper.

I personally can more identify with. I'm a pepper. I, I, I feel like I am a pepper. I am a pepper.

Laurel: My favorite soda campaign is, When,

Nichole: when Kylie Jenner offered that Pepsi to that police

Laurel: Oh my God.

No, when Squirt invented squirting.

Nichole: What?

Laurel: I thought that was good. What?

Daniel: you can't have squirt without squirt. that was the tagline

Laurel: I thought, is it pee or is it squirt?

Nichole: You pull my leg. Is this an actual

Laurel: No, it's not an actual thing.

Nichole: I thought it was an orchy situation. I was like, do they know?

Daniel: They're like my, they try to, my God. They try to make , the act of enjoying , a, a squirt into a verb. So it's like, Hey, you want to go squirting?

Nichole: Yeah. See, I think squirt is probably like, so far down the chain as far as like, I don't know who its parent company is, but it's probably like, nobody goes like, oh, I'm really craving a squirt right now. You know what I mean? The time is right. To give them risque.

Laurel: Yeah.

Nichole: Dirty advertising.

Laurel: Yeah.

Nichole: I think we, we pitch this to them and then they become the first sponsor of Ooh. Amateur.

Laurel: Welcome to Poly Amateur Hour.

Nichole: I'm Nicole,

Daniel: I'm Daniel.

Laurel: And I'm Laurel.

Daniel: while we're, while we're all still alone together, right?

Well, it's just the, the three of us.

Nichole: Mm-hmm. Uhhuh,

Daniel: should we do our most intimate and thoughtful of segments.

Laurel: Yeah.

Nichole: Yeah. Which one is that?

Daniel: Unicorn hunter hunt. No, just kidding. Ask the amateurs. Yes.

Nichole: Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. this question comes to us

Laurel: from baseline. Sam,

Daniel: who did the baseline for our new version of our theme song?

Laurel: that was really cute.

Nichole: Laurel,

Laurel: you immediately like put up your hands like you were playing a bass. So cute.

Daniel: you all, by the way, Stuss are welcome to send in audio questions. You don't have to be like a, inside the pod, under the cape type of stubbert.

Mm-hmm. To send an audio question, send it along, we'll play it on the air as long as it's not a threat.

Daniel: It makes me sad. Imagining people not showing up, to dates for you.

Laurel: Yeah. I think that's bullshit.

Nichole: That's bullshit.

Daniel: It has happened to me. Definitely it

Laurel: has.

Daniel: Yeah. I've had people fucking just

Laurel: no show.

Daniel: Yeah. I've had people no-show,

Laurel: no call, no show.

Daniel: Only in New York though, when I was dating in New York, when you could just kind of disappear into the anonymity of the fucking metropolis.

Nichole: That's wild to me. And then you had a guy not show because he was working on his bike.

Laurel: that was weird 'cause he like continued to communicate after that. Yes. Like we were gonna go on a date

Daniel: Delusional.

Laurel: Yeah.

Daniel: Yeah. I kind of would've been tempted to schedule a date and then not show up.

as a man playing the numbers game Uhhuh on the Internets, I have been ghosted virtually more times than I can count. So to answer question number one, it is not an LA thing, as far as just dropping the ball in the messages and then just not responding.

Laurel: Yeah.

Nichole: I guess. When does it count as ghosting? is it like more than a couple of days of talking? Is it weeks of talking? Is it number of messages like, when I match with somebody, it's pretty immediate I make plans. I don't go back and forth.

Laurel: I'll do a little back and forth sometimes, but

you know, like I'm don't really wanna like chat with someone for a week I have had plenty, plenty of conversations just like fall away where it's sort of like I said my thing and they just never respond to it.

Nichole: Totally.

Laurel: I would consider it ghosting at the point where I've checked in once or twice and they just still have never responded.

And I've had people like cancel, not super last minute, but like kind of last minute Then be like, yeah, let's reschedule and then never reschedule.

Nichole: Yeah.

Laurel: Which is fine.

Daniel (2): I think I'm just attracted to people who are prone to migraines, nausea, panic attacks, uh, et cetera. And so there's always a good chance that whoever I'm into is going to be rescheduling a few times. but I just push through because that just gets me even hotter.

I'm like, my God,

Nichole: Sam, these are just not the people for you. I understand that it's a little bit of a epidemic, I guess, of like ghosting culture is a thing and there's nothing really you can do about it.

Daniel: And I'm guilty of it too.

I do not really treat people that I am just interacting with on the internet, on a dating site with the respect and dedication that I do. With people who I have met in person and developed some kind of connection with. I just don't, sometimes I just tap out and real life asserts itself.

And sometimes it has nothing to do with my interest level in the person. It's just things haven't moved fast enough as far as making actual plans.

Nichole: Mm-hmm.

Daniel: And then you know, my dad dies. I mean, that's, for me, that's only happened once.

Nichole: yeah.

Laurel: like I've definitely gotten to the place where I just kind of expect it. when I get on a dating app, I will probably participate by either like initiating or responding to like a match or whatever.

for five people

With the full expectation that like about half of them are not going to respond at all.

Nichole: Mm-hmm.

Daniel: Yeah.

Laurel: And that the ones that do maybe one of those actually results in a date where we end up actually meeting each other. Yeah.

Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Don't be so optimistic, Sam. Oh

Nichole: my god.

Daniel: Temper your tempert your expectations. I feel like this is good advice. Like,

Nichole: So like, not to call you out, Daniel, but like you'll just open Tinder when you're bored in like a millisecond.

Yeah.

And just flip through

Daniel: Yeah. I mean, I look at it as just Tinder opening me.

Nichole: Oh my God. But I mean, like, of course it's going to get exhausting if you have hundreds of matches

Daniel: now. I just feel like I should have way more matches than I actually do for the amount of time. Oh my

Nichole: God.

Daniel: I'm like,

Nichole: no, I just, I hundreds.

I think for me, I'm down to one platform, like one dating app.

Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Nichole: and I only like people when I'm like, that is a person that I would talk to in a bar, it is not like I could maybe find them attractive.

I did that and that's how, that's how Tiny Tomatoes happened.

Laurel: I do think there's like a little bit of a gendered thing. 'cause the ratio of messaging to dates for men It's probably a lot smaller than my ratio of messaging to dates with women.

Daniel: Yes.

Laurel: Yeah. Like it's a lot harder to get women to commit to dates

Daniel: And part of that is just 'cause they are completely inundated, especially if they are dating men

Nichole: I think that's why I stopped paying For the app I don't see all those numbers of people who like me.

Yeah. It's too many.

Laurel: Yeah.

Nichole: You know, not to say that like, I'm a hot piece of shit, but like, I'm a woman and so of course it's gonna be, the numbers are gonna be high.

Daniel: I like that as a mashup of like hot shit and, but like a hot piece of shit.

I'm like, like

Nichole: did I say hot piece of shit?

Daniel: You did. '

and you introduced hot into it as well. And honestly, this now gets to the core of what we've discussed is my type.

That's the hot piece of shit.

Laurel: That's, that's what I want on my hoodie.

Nichole: I'm a hot piece

Laurel: of shit. Yeah, that's what's on the bag of my sweatshirt. Come on. Hot piece of shit.

Daniel: So we have a very special guest coming to see us.

Laurel: Mm-hmm.

Daniel: Live in person today. Into the basement

Laurel: unless they ghosted.

Daniel: we have local and emerging global comic. Rochelle Cochran.

Laurel: Yay. Cool.

Daniel: Creator of a lot of charming internet content. Mm-hmm. I think we'll discuss the, Portland Sober series.

Nichole: Oh, mm-hmm. Oh,

I'm just guessing mushrooms are involved.

Daniel: shall we? Drum roll.

Nichole: Drum roll. That wasn't a drum roll.

Rachelle: you guys say a lot of references on this podcast that I have no idea what you're talking about. So if I just, if I just sit here and nod and smile, I am, I'm cheering you on

Laurel: Most of the time none of us know what the other person is talking about.

Rachelle: Oh, really? Okay. Well, you play it off very well like you do.

Laurel: Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rachelle: And I'm sorry, you three are in a poly QI know you two are.

Daniel: Yes.

Rachelle: You're part of this.

Nichole: I'm, I'm, I'm part of this baby.

Rachelle: Yeah. I need you to know that I don't really know much about polys or the lifestyle and so forgive me if I ask many a question on this podcast.

Daniel: What I love is that this indicates that perhaps we are your only source of information

about polyamory.

Rachelle: Uh, yeah. as Of right now in my life, yeah.

Daniel: This is what ha This is like if you just feed a baby jack and Coke.

Rachelle: Excuse me. What?

Daniel: an entirely unhealthy diet for a growing mind.

Rachelle: Oh, okay. So, so I'm the baby in this scenario? Exactly.

Daniel: Okay, wonderful.

Rachelle: Okay, great. Yeah. Yeah. Jack and Cook.

Nichole: You said that so casually, like that's a thing that people do.

Rachelle: Yeah. That's a reference you just made up, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Daniel: I don't know, you know, I don't want to bring up my family.

Laurel: This is how you get to polyamory feed your baby Jack and Coke.

Rachelle: How big is your poly? It's just you three. That's a good question. Oh my god. You don't know.

Daniel: It depends how you define poly.

Laurel: Yeah.

Nichole: Let's define it.

Daniel: Is it a Normy corner?

Nichole: Normy corner?

Daniel: a poly is like the network of who you are dating and who they are dating.

Rachelle: Okay.

Laurel (2): Like I'm not dating Nicole, so I'm just, we're not dating.

Yeah,

Nichole: but she's still in your PI. Yeah.

Laurel: You know what? Yeah.

Rachelle: Yeah. This is trippy. so it's you who connect these two. Yes. But they're not dating. You're both dating the same person.

Nichole: Yes. Yes.

Rachelle: What a tangled web. You weave

Nichole: my friends. This is,

it does. It does get tangled.

Rachelle: Yeah. I would love to see your family tree,

Daniel: not to get all Portland sober.

But This is a, this is a reference to, uh, Rochelle's Hit

Rachelle: Yeah.

Daniel: Content series on Instagram.

Rachelle: My own name. I got a one hit wonder. Thank you. Thank you.

Daniel: Um, are dating me and you're dating me. But are you dating the same person?

Nichole: Oh,

Rachelle: what

Daniel: I just take too many mushrooms.

Laurel: I think knowing the shit Daniel does, we are.

Absolutely. We're at least this is dating the same shit you do. Yeah.

Nichole: So this is, such a plus for polyamory. Okay. Is that you have your person Okay. That you love so much, and then they do things and you're like, is that what, does anybody else witness this? And then you make eye contact. Yeah. With your meta laurel is my meta you. She's my meta. More meta.

Rachelle: Yeah.

Meta more.

Nichole: Meta. More

Rachelle: this. Just met him. Just, just met him. Okay.

Nichole: We cocoon in the same chrysalis, um,

Daniel: of my abdomen.

Rachelle: Oh God. Okay.

Laurel: well, yeah. If you date both of us for long enough, I become Nicole and Nicole becomes me.

Rachelle: Yeah.

Daniel: Which is why I confuse you all the time. So you should really not be upset about this.

We have only ever had one monogamous guest on before.

Rachelle: Whoa.

Daniel: star of stage and screen, John Billingsley of Star Trek Enterprise. Oh, yeah.

Rachelle: Whoa, cool. Yeah. You on the other hand mm-hmm. Are I think what we would call a. Gold star monogamist.

Daniel: didn't you say you've only been in a relationship with one person ever?

Rachelle: Yes. My current partner,

Daniel: yeah.

Nichole: Wow.

Rachelle: Yeah. Religious trauma is a trip.

Yeah.

Daniel: Are you scared of hell's?

Rachelle: I was for a very long time and then I also took too many mushrooms and don't believe in any kind of religion.

Daniel: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Rachelle: grew up very Catholic.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Like Church every Sunday. Confession, as soon as you commit, IM mortal sin. Ooh. Polyamory is immortal sin. You guys are all going to hell, by the way. Yeah. Oh, the pop

Nichole: already told us,

Rachelle: and this priest recommended, conversion therapy. And I was like, what the fuck am I doing?

after I confess my sins, I'm going straight home to my partner and I will continue having sex with her. Like, what is this double life that I'm living? Yeah. And I never went back.

Daniel: And so that caused you to run screaming from the church when offered, conversion therapy. And yet for this episode, we have, we have offered the joy of this new segment.

This is, you are gonna be the first victim.

Nichole: Whoa, okay.

Daniel: Yeah. Called conversion therapy.

Laurel: We could not have a better guest. Well done inaugural.

Rachelle: Good segue. Well done, well done with that.

Nichole: That was God doing for us. Yeah. What we couldn't do for ourselves.

Rachelle: What does compersion mean?

Daniel: Compersion is feeling joy in someone else's joy. It's the opposite of jealousy.

Rachelle: Oh, wow.

Nichole: you can cultivate compersion in your daily life. Mm-hmm. It is not just a polyamorous phenomenon.

Rachelle: Mm.

Biologically speaking, why do you think we experienced jealousy?

Daniel: it may be something that kind of evolved culturally rather than biologically.

you know, our closest animal relative is, the bonobo chimps.

Right. Who are just fucking everything. Yeah.

Rachelle: Fucking everything. Yeah. Yeah.

Nichole: the biological part is probably, scarcity.

Rachelle: Mm-hmm.

Nichole: Right. So like, there, there was a finite amount of things when we were evolving. But culturally, we have taken that scarcity mindset and we have infused it into capitalism. Mm-hmm. And so it's like there is only one.

Mm-hmm.

There's only one for everyone. And if you don't have that one, you don't have anyone

die alone and destitute.

Yeah. Oof.

Daniel: We should probably describe what this segment is at some point.

Maybe after we do it.

Nichole: Yeah. When we con conversion

Daniel: with you.

Nichole: Yeah.

Daniel: Conversion therapy is the segment where we invite a monogamous person Oh. Onto the podcast and we do our darnedest to, reprogram you.

Rachelle: Oh my God. Wow. Like an intervention.

Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. like a cult deprogramming. Yeah. Wow.

So if we succeed, you should walk outta this room. Totally polyamorous.

Rachelle: Oh my god. And I'm the first one that you're doing this to? Yeah. Oh, the Guinea pig. Okay. The Guinea pig. Wow. How long do we have? Is this an hour? Alright.

Daniel: Yeah.

Rachelle: Game on bitch conversion. Me.

Daniel: And, I'd like to begin by first asking you know, just a few questions about your monogamy journey. Oh yeah. So, how does it work? Like, like, don't you get jealous?

Rachelle: Oh

Nichole: my

Rachelle: God,

that's good. That's good. Um, how does, is this a rhetorical question you really want me to answer? Um, it's, uh, you know, ups and downs, peaks and valleys. I don't know anything different than this. I think, I mean, I just got lucky finding the, the first person that I decided to sleep with was the one that I wanted to be with in indefinitely.

I don't know how you guys have time for anymore than one person.

like having to spread that over to people.

Daniel: I spread it all over the place.

Rachelle: Oh my God. I bet you do. I bet you do.

Daniel: You know, was it hard? Like how, what did you tell your parents when you, when you figured out that you were monogamous, you know, how did you

Nichole: Well, uh,

Rachelle: that's kind of a loaded question because they found that out, but at the same time I came out as gay.

Yeah. but my parents are still together. They've been together for 36 years. So monogamy is, uh, a staple in my family and extended family.

Daniel: corn, potatoes, monogamy,

Rachelle: corn, potatoes, monogamy until the day you die. yeah. I guess I'm a good Catholic lesbian, like all the rest of the nuns if you'll, so, um, but, but yeah.

My, my parents are pro monomy. Okay.

Rachelle: did you all know that you were poly or did you just kind of stumble into this, or one of you stumbled into it and brought the other with them?

I didn't mean to point you out, like in particular, obviously you're the

Nichole: freak

Rachelle: and I'm the one

Nichole: that got dragged along

Daniel: Who's the most depraved of this group?

Rachelle: I mean, you did say you're, you are the one spreading it all around. Yeah. So my, my, my money, I mean, my money's on you. Oh, oh. I mean, oh

Daniel: We're all looking at Laurel as though she's responsible.

Laurel: Yeah.

I'm just, I'm a sleeper agent.

Rachelle: Oh, wow. Okay.

Laurel: Meaning I'm sleeping and fucking

Daniel: sometimes at the same time,

Laurel: sometimes at the same time,

Daniel: she sleeps around. Meaning any surface.

Laurel: Yeah.

Daniel: Um,

Laurel: all of our relationships started where we were all non-monogamous from the beginning.

Daniel: None of us had to have our current relationships opened up the way that we're going to have yours opened up.

Nichole: And that is pretty unique. That's a unique, experience. Mm-hmm. Is having this tri, we're not a triad. Tribunal? Tri Tribunal. The Tribu Tribunal. Tribunal.

Rachelle: Okay.

Nichole: Start,

don't don't

in a start from non-monogamy and not like, have us open up.

Mm-hmm.

You know, and not have to go through that journey.

Laurel: Yeah.

Daniel: Mm-hmm. So you have brought some reasons today Yeah. To present to us, for us to, dismantle, right?

do you remember your reasons or? I

Rachelle: do. Okay. Yes. Alright. What are these reasons why I wanna be monogamous, right?

Daniel: Yeah. Yeah.

Rachelle: Ah, jealousy. Okay.

Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Rachelle: Not of time. Mm-hmm.

Nichole: Mm-hmm.

Rachelle: Mm-hmm. To balance multiple relationships. Yeah. And then. Not being able to have as deep a connection with one person. at the cost of having to spread it over two people. Um, yeah. Yeah. I don't think you get as deep with one those are my reasons as of now. change my mind.

Immersion me. Alright.

Daniel: Alright. Izer.

Nichole: Oh,

Daniel: are we, God

Rachelle: we're not. Calling ourselves that, okay, um, you're gonna fuck me over because you're using all these terms that I'm gonna start using. Like, I know a lot about polyamory. They, they, they have these tribunals and they call themselves,

Laurel: and, and I'm the jacked Coke baby.

Daniel: Which, what do you, what do you guys wanna tackle first?

Laurel: Uh,

Nichole: number one, jealousy. Number one, jealousy. Because that's the number one thing that everybody says. Mm-hmm.

Laurel: Yeah.

Daniel: Personally, I don't experience any more jealousy now that I am polyamorous than I did when I was monogamous. In fact, I experienced I think a lot more jealousy during my, monogamous era because I was always concerned that somebody could be stolen away from me and be just with someone else.

Mm-hmm. And so I had a lot more anxiety about my relationships.

so by personal experience, I would say that the jealousy is alleviated for me.

Nichole: Hmm. That is such, I never put that together for myself. But you're right. I experienced a lot of anxiety in my. monogamous relationships because I was always worried that they were, I was like searching for when they were gonna break up with me.

And I remember like getting together with somebody and going like, oh, this is gonna really hurt when it's over. Because I just knew in my core that they were gonna break up, they were gonna find something wrong with me. Oh. So it was insecurity and anxiety. And anxiety was fueling the insecurity. And now, I guess you're right, like our conflicts are not an end to the relationship. They're just something to move through.

Daniel: it's not a zero sum game.

Nichole: Yeah. Huh.

Laurel: Jealousy is just an opportunity.

Daniel: Are you, are you afraid of doing the work, Rochelle?

Rachelle: Oh my God, I guess, I guess I'm, um, do you feel the same way?

Laurel: I joke and say jealousy is an opportunity in a silly voice, but

Daniel: it is an opportunity in a silly voice,

Laurel: but it is an opportunity in a silly voice. when I've had those moments, it feels gross. It feels, yeah.

Rachelle: I don't like feeling jealous. It

Laurel: does feel gross.

Yeah. It sucks. It feels really gross. It's like, insecurity and shame and anger. Mm-hmm. Just like all balled into just a big yucky thing. but it's one of the things that has helped me grow the most. Mm-hmm. In terms of when I start feeling that way of actually being able to just dig into it mm-hmm.

And be like, okay, what is this situation telling me that I actually need?

Nichole: Hmm. Mm-hmm.

Laurel: is it something that I actually need? or is it something where it is like a competitive thing where I'm seeing someone else have something that sort of meets these markers of intimacy.

and I don't even necessarily want that, but I just have felt a sudden sense of like competition mm-hmm. In terms of like, oh, well I don't have that, so that must be bad. We must not actually be as intimate as those two are. those moments have helped me break down much more what I actually want from my relationships.

Mm-hmm. so it's made my relationships a lot fuller.

Nichole: Hmm.

Laurel: Yes. In that sense. you can still totally do that in a monogamous context, but you just don't get the opportunity as much to like understand what is going to push your buttons? 'cause when I get jealous sometimes it surprises me.

Hmm. Where it's something where it's like, my partner's done this a dozen times with 18 different people. Mm-hmm. Like why is this suddenly bothering me now?

Rachelle: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Hmm.

I talk to one friend who first introduced me to it 'cause I asked her a ton of questions years ago and she basically explained it to me like, you can't be someone's everything.

So it's nice to have multiple people that you can get what you need from each person and not rely on one person to fulfill your every want and desire. And I was like, okay, I kind of get that. But again, it sounds like so much admin. My God,

Daniel: I kind of wanna jump. to point number three.

Rachelle: Mm.

Daniel: Because I feel like we're starting to flirt with it a little bit, which is multiple shallow wells versus one deep Well,

Rachelle: yes. Mm-hmm.

Daniel: Argument. I have found that my relationships deepen with both the example and experience of other relationships.

Nichole: Mm-hmm.

Daniel: You've talked about this a lot, Nicole, of coming home from a date that was really good and feeling closer to me and more loving to me because of it.

cause it stirs up something, in you.

Nichole: Yeah.

Daniel: and you're like bored of me by this point, so,

Nichole: and I don't, I don't know what that phenomenon is, but it is like, I'm coming home from a really great date. I'm feeling really high. Mm-hmm. You know, 'cause you have all these chemicals running around in your brain.

Mm-hmm.

Daniel: She gets fucking wasted on her diet. Stop

Totally sober.

Rachelle: I've definitely heard of that phenomenon. Mm-hmm. Where you will like, be this close to maybe sleeping with someone, and then you go home to your partner and you just wanna fuck.

Nichole: Well, that's not it.

Rachelle: That's not it.

Daniel: No, this is, this is when you go and fuck that person. Yeah. And then you come home and you're like, oh, now I wanna fuck my partner twice as much.

Rachelle: No. Oh. Oh, no.

Daniel: Oh, it's when you go, it's when you go out and you fuck someone, and then you come home and I'm like, now I want to fuck you twice as much.

Rachelle: either way. All phenomenons. Yeah. All phenomenons

Nichole: and all things that happen. For sure. Um, I had another partner like, resonate with this phenomenon.

Mm.

And he said like, I feel closer to my wife when I spend really great dates with you, I'm like, yeah, I know. Wow.

Daniel: It's like a multiplier rather than a subtraction.

Laurel: Fascinating

Daniel: vision.

Yeah.

Nichole: Yeah.

Laurel: I think there's something about like being able to have that autonomous expression of yourself and know that you have a committed relationship that appreciates that about you.

Nichole: Mm.

Laurel: And so, ah, yeah. And there's a certain level of like, I am free and you still love me.

Nichole: Mm-hmm.

Daniel: And it's not like I love you despite the fact that you're free.

No. But I love you almost because Yeah. are that aspect of you. and then also knowing, you know, that, we come back to each other like that, there's like,

Nichole: there's a next time.

Daniel: Yeah.

Nichole: I was like anxiously avoidant for a very long time, so I wasn't like I had shallow pools everywhere. Okay. But I think that like the moments that I felt jealousy in those shallow pool moments were, because my partner wasn't showing up for me in a way that would like. Provide security.

Hmm.

Right? Mm-hmm. So, because I'm in this place now where like I'm being very discerning about who I'm, who

Rachelle: I'm dating,

Nichole (2): there is the opportunity to have deeper relationships those opportunities, I guess, like feed upon each other , right?

Mm-hmm. Like you have the experience of having a deep relationship with one person, and you learn from that deep relationship, and it's not necessarily easy to replicate, but like the, the possibility is more there,

Rachelle: That's beautiful. Wow. Thanks y'all. That was great.

Nichole: So I wanted to check in.

Rachelle: Yeah. Wow. How,

Nichole: how swayed

Laurel: we should have a meter

Rachelle: constantly adjust. Like if I was here, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, yeah.

It's moving. The needle's moving. Not yet. Yeah. Okay. Alright. Yeah. So you're all saying some pretty things right now. Yeah.

Daniel: Let's take our, our first two points. Right? Okay. So on the jealousy

on a scale of one to 10

Nichole: mm-hmm.

Daniel: How certain were you that jealousy was a impediment?

10 being jealousy is a complete impediment.

Rachelle: Mm-hmm.

Daniel: One being you're ready to go in the next room right now,

Rachelle: go in the next room and like become part of your tribunal. Exactly. Uh, I mean, I definitely, thought that jealousy was gonna be like. Uh, a a 10. Wait, you're asking me how I feel now? Afterwards,

Daniel: give, give us two numbers.

Yes.

Rachelle: Where

Daniel: were you, where were you when

Rachelle: you, you started? I was at a 10 for sure when we started. All right. And now I'm more like a six. Oh. Oh, that's impressive. Six. Interesting. Yes.

Laurel: Alright.

Rachelle: When you said jealousy, an opportunity for growth, if you will. Like, it's more, uh, an opportunity to do some more internal reflection.

Why am I feeling this way? What am I not getting and how do I better communicate that?

Nichole: Right? Mm-hmm.

Rachelle: To my partner. However, I still have a very difficult time imagining her making out with someone else.

Nichole: Yeah.

Rachelle: Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to feel, I mean, it's, it's selfish. I want to be the one she only wants to make out with.

Nichole: Yeah.

Rachelle: I want to be the person. She always wants to come home too. Yeah. And compersion is something I think that has to be developed, much like empathy. It's a muscle that I've just never even lifted a weight with. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I, I would akin it to like, feeling joy for like, one of my friends gets booked on a show that I wish I always booked for, and that's something that I, I have been working on personally for years.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. As many comedians need to. So it's just another,

Daniel: you don't act, you don't actively go out and try and sabotage 'em anymore?

Rachelle: Not anymore. No. Yeah. I, I, I lost time to do that. Um, but uh, yeah, it's, um, it's just something I've never tried. Yeah. So

Nichole: I want to dissuade the idea that monogamy is selfish.

I just don't want you feeling like we're trying to shame you into

Rachelle: like, that's the opposite of what we trying. What? Shame. No, shame. No. And I appreciate you all holding my hand and walking me and walking me through this, this, uh, alternative lifestyle.

Is there rude to, is there, is there rude to call it that? Is there rude to call it that?

Laurel: I hope, I hope that, I hope that's a slur one day.

Rachelle: Yeah. That's what my parents call my lifestyle alternative. Yeah. Um, so, so thank you for, for your, for your time. I really, really appreciate you answering all, all my questions and, and worries and fears about polyamory.

Thank you. I don't think monogamy is selfish. Okay. But I, I think, um,

Daniel: you are selfish.

Rachelle: I am selfish.

Daniel: Yes.

Nichole: So am I, but like it transcends.

Rachelle: Yeah. I would say polyamory is definitely selfless. I, I, or you have to work on being more selfless. Like it's not only about you now. Yeah. You really have to be more, You're more focused on your partner's happiness and what makes them happy, I think.

Daniel: But you also get it from many different, get it, you get it from many different angles. You also receive, you know, so you're giving love out to more people.

Nichole: Mm-hmm.

Daniel: but you're also receiving love and support from multiple angles Yeah.

As well.

Rachelle: Is there ever an Imbalance?

What

if it's just

Nicole having this web of suitors and you don't have anyone else?

Daniel: I think this, this is going to bring us into 0.3, but before we move on to 0.3

Rachelle: mm-hmm.

Daniel: I wanted to ask you deep wells versus, shallow well argument.

Rachelle: Mm.

Daniel: How certain were you that this was an obstacle , when you came in?

Rachelle: I would say like a eight ish.

Daniel: Okay.

Rachelle: Yeah. probably the one , I was least concerned with.

And then afterwards, more like a five. Yeah. Yeah.

Daniel: We're tripping big blocks off of

Rachelle: this. Yeah. Yeah, you are. It's frightening. No,

Daniel: so the reason why I think that we're headed towards, point, which was originally 0.2, but now we've made it 0.3, the time thing, right?

Nichole: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Daniel: is that when you ask me am I like feeling imbalance or something?

If like Nicole is out and about? Yeah. no, because when you're with people for a long time

Nichole: mm-hmm.

Daniel: I don't know if you've experienced this, but sometimes you like to have them, the pressure taken off you and you'd like them to go away. Mm-hmm. And Nicole loves this when I'm out. Like, she's like, I'm gonna take a bath and watch reality television.

Like, you get time back too.

Rachelle: Mm-hmm.

Daniel: Right? if your multiple partners have multiple partners, then. You, you get that time to yourself. it becomes a lot less of an issue.

Laurel: Yeah. there's a whole litany of things that take up your time.

Mm-hmm. Like your, hobbies, your career, your friends.

your pets or partners. And with polyamory, I feel like it's the same thing as with monogamy. when you're dating, you're just finding the people who want to interact on the same cadence that you can, and want to interact too.

and that, that has definitely come up for people where it's like, I'm so into this person. I wanna be able to spend more time with them, but they just don't have that time to offer me. Mm-hmm.

Nichole: Yeah.

Laurel: there's some work in like separating that out, from, they're just spending their time with other people.

Like, there are other partners that they like more than me versus, oh, well they're, they're just incredibly busy with work, or they're incredibly busy, you know, with this project that they're doing. kind of back to what I was saying about the jealousy stuff, it's like, do I actually want more of this person's time or am I just comparing how much time I get to how much time they're spending with somebody else?

Rachelle: Yeah,

Nichole: it is a little bit of a quantity versus quality thing.

Yeah. the quantity of time you spend with a person, let's say per week mm-hmm. Is some, some kind of marker of like how committed you are.

Rachelle: Okay. Yeah.

Nichole: And I would say not so much mm-hmm. For me at least. Mm-hmm. Right. Agree. Like, I live with Daniel. Mm-hmm.

Rachelle: Yeah.

Nichole: And we what surprise been here the whole time I've

been here in the basement the whole time.

Daniel: I thought this was just a really long day.

Nichole: Um, Right now I am dating

Laurel: just doing math, doing like long division in, in her head right now.

Daniel: Look at the, look at the horror on Rochelle's face or, or wonder. Oh shit. I dunno. Fingers.

Laurel: Like,

Daniel: this is how many fingers?

Rachelle: Oh my

Daniel: God.

Nichole: You were dating six people, including, including him? Yes.

Rachelle: And so typically in a poly, is it called a poly? Is that what you call your, your web? Like a, your, your part of this?

Daniel: Well, what we personally call this part of the Poly Q right here? Yeah. The three goal.

Rachelle: The th

Nichole: Oh my god.

Rachelle: I'm not falling for that one.

Okay. The three eagle's

Nichole: a thing.

Rachelle: It is a thing.

Nichole: there were three eagles that were living together in Apol and reading chicks together.

Daniel: Yeah, there are many, there are many,

Nichole: there are many

Daniel: eagles, many three eagles.

Laurel: Out in nature.

Rachelle: That's actually cute.

Nichole: But I wanna, I wanna talk about the six. can I talk about

Rachelle: the six? Oh yeah. The six. Oh, yeah.

Nichole: You, yeah. And how, how I,

Daniel: you

Nichole: know, how

do

Rachelle: you manage

Daniel: this? Just, you just, you just one short of a dwarf dem

Nichole: you're right.

Rachelle: Like, do you hire an ai like admin person that helps you organize all this?

Like, how the heck do you, is there a Google calendar?

Nichole: I would say that it helps that one of them doesn't live here.

Rachelle: Okay.

Nichole: but we talk all the time, like we make phone dates.

Rachelle: Oh, wow.

Nichole: one of them works out in the wilderness for half the year.

Okay.

Um, he's a hotshot and so he's not here, for half the year. Okay. So I really like only, we only get to see each other like not that often.

Daniel: Every time you describe this person. You say he's a hot shot and I have just been nodding, like, I understand what you're talking about.

Rachelle: I don't, I don't understand. Okay. I don't understand. Yeah.

Daniel: I don't

Nichole: understand that he fights wildfires.

Rachelle: Oh, that's hot. What a That's a hot shot.

Yeah. Yeah. Alright.

Nichole: So there's distance. Right. Okay. So that's, that like, helps two, that's two.

Daniel: So now we're down to

Rachelle: three. I was gonna say, the easiest way to do this is just be with people who are never around.

Nichole: Yes.

Rachelle: Then you can have multiple partners.

Nichole: Yeah.

Rachelle: Okay.

Nichole: Like, I think that there, and there's also kind of always a negotiation of time.

I did at the beginning of this year, do a little bit of math and make a list of like, okay, here are my friends and my partners and my family members that I wanna talk to this per, I wanna see this person at least once a month.

I wanna see this person. I wanna talk to this person once a week on the phone. I wanna do da, da da da. I just kind of mapped out who my priorities were. Wow. And like how, how I could possibly map this out. And then I was telling, like I was going through Chet GBT and I was like, but I also wanna exercise three days a week.

And I also wanna cook and I also wanna go grocery shopping. And I also need time by myself. And like,

Rachelle: I wanna see this, is this an Excel spreadsheet?

Nichole: I don't use it anymore.

'cause I was like, fuck it, I'll just do it week to week. My life is gonna change. New people are gonna come in, old people are gonna go out, get on you. Trying out like

Daniel: Yeah. Old people are gonna go out. As the oldest person,

Laurel: like your father,

Nichole: whoa,

Rachelle: you'll get dark down here.

Nichole: Well, yeah. That's one less person I have to drive to a, you know,

Rachelle: doctor's

Nichole: appointment to

Rachelle: appointment. So

Daniel: before that joke, where were you on this scale of one to 10? For the time management?

Rachelle: So 10 was before, like, that would be a big issue for me. And honestly, probably maybe a nine, just because I, I would have to do the fricking spreadsheet.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. And I feel like I don't even have enough time for my one partner as is. Mm-hmm. I can't because they're so

Daniel: needy.

Rachelle: Uh, she's actually not, which is uh, which is something that I take for granted. I have so many friends who are like, oh, my partner's really upset that I've been out three nights this week.

I'm like, oh, my partner hasn't been upset. Ever about this? Yeah.

Yeah.

Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Rachelle: Uh, there was one time where I was gone, like every weekend in a month and she wanted to hang out Yeah. For one weekend. And I totally get that. I've been gone. Yeah.

Daniel: You

Rachelle: said tough shit. Yeah. But like that part of my relationship was to take much mu much noise in my, in my head.

You know, like I don't have to worry about whether or not my partner will be upset that I'm gone every night telling jokes. So, um,

Daniel: so you're nine now. We've, failed on point. We

Nichole: failed.

Rachelle: Yeah. And it's not you guys failing, it's just, I feel time is so, yeah. Like I don't have any of it as of now, so I can't, I can't imagine. I also have a very demanding job. I'm an accountant and like, I just don't know how to add anything more.

Laurel: You should be Better at that.

Rachelle: I should be better at that,

Laurel: at,

Rachelle: at time Management.

Laurel: You should be better at adding, if you're an account,

Rachelle: whatcha doing tonight? You wanna tell some jokes on me?

Daniel: I thought that we could, you know, have a little palette cleanser to forget our failure. You know, move on real quick So, one of our favorite segments, all right, because it's the meanest segment. You know what it is. You know what it is? Laurel,

Laurel: Uh, it's unicorn hunter hunters.

Daniel: Oh yeah.

Laurel: Mm. I like this segment.

Unicorn hunter hunters is a segment where we peruse the internet for unicorn hunter profiles. IEA couple seeking a third. Yeah. I'm just playing, I'm playing the theme. Are you playing the airbase again?

I'm playing.

I am. I didn't realize I was playing the bass, but I am playing the bass.

Rachelle: I thought it was you holding like a rifle to go unicorn hunting. Oh yeah.

Laurel: Makes that too. anyways. Oh my God. We find unicorn hunter profiles on the internet. and we rate them on three categories. The first being self-aggrandizement, the second being arbitrary rules. And the third of course. Would we unicorn for them?

Daniel: Alright. Went back to field for this one.

Nichole: Okay.

Daniel: Seat belts.

She's the dazzling spark in a sea of doll, the pint sized powerhouse with eyes that could light up the darkest skies. She's the heartbeat of my world. The tiny dynamo with a spirit too vast for this universe and me. I'm the thrill seeker, the hold my beer and watch this kind of guy always chasing the next epic tale to tell.

Nichole: Wow. Okay.

Daniel: Done. All

Laurel: right.

Daniel: Ready? Ready for more?

Nichole: I'm, I'm in. Yeah.

Laurel: I'm glad I put my seatbelt on. Yeah.

Daniel: Are you looking for legendary friends? We are the ones your mom warned you about.

Nichole: Oh, fuck it.

Daniel: Because we are that awesome.

Nichole: Oh,

Daniel: whoa. They never warned to me about awesome people. Yeah.

Nichole: Bad mom.

Daniel: in search of cosmic adventures between the sheets.

We've mastered that art leaving stars in your eyes and your world rocked.

Nichole: So

much celestial talk.

Rachelle: Yeah. Yeah.

Daniel: No, I don't think I'm ready for these people.

Rachelle: No.

Daniel: You know. No. And I really like Star Trek.

Rachelle: My God.

Daniel: We are likely the coolest cats. You'll cross paths with coolest

Nichole: cats.

Rachelle: Okay. I'm in, I'm in.

Oh my God. That got me, that got me whoof.

Daniel: And hey, we're swamped with living life to the fullest, so if we miss your ping, hang tight. It's worth the wait.

Rachelle: What? Okay. Swamped with living life to the fullest.

Nichole: You know, how you describe your life as a swamp

Rachelle: sounds very moist. Yeah.

Wow.

Daniel: Yeah.

Rachelle: This is a goodie. Oh my God.

Daniel: Alright. Oh, and for those in need of a maestro behind the lens,

Nichole: what,

Daniel: especially for OnlyFans content or boudoir snaps. Hit me up. I've got Emmys to prove my shots are as extraordinary as our lives.

Nichole: Shut the fuck. Whoa.

Laurel: He has Emmys EMS for, for the OnlyFans content he's made.

Daniel: Just wait.

Laurel: Okay.

Daniel: Just wait. There's, there's wait. There's more.

Laurel: Oh. Oh my goodness.

Nichole: Is it a daytime Emmy

Daniel: afternoon delight. also, I could fuck you so well. Your toes curl.

Nichole: Oh,

Daniel: so let's get the small talk conversation out of the way. We are both on our second marriage. Several years in,

We love dancing, concerts, concerts, nights out, talking about deep thoughts. Shut

Laurel: the fuck. And the stars.

Daniel: And laughing our asses off about the insanity of life.

Nichole: Oh my God. The insanity of our swap lives.

Daniel: I kinda like if they're like cackling, swamp witches. I kind like this, but I don't think that's true. I

Rachelle: don't think that's what's happening. Yeah.

Daniel: I'm a retired television director with multiple Emmys.

Rachelle: Second time he is mentioned that. Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. Yeah,

Daniel: brain cancer, survivor and fighter.

Rachelle: Oh my god.

Daniel: and my wife is the best damn educator I've ever known.

Laurel: that's All he says about her career.

Nichole: Yeah.

Laurel: A career. I'm an Emmy winning director and cancer brain cancer survivor. And she's the best teacher I've ever known. uh, there's one more sentence. at the bottom in its own paragraph. We love friendship.

Nichole: Oh,

Rachelle: wow. Oh my God. How do you apply to be a unicorn?

Daniel: oh, are you ready?

Rachelle: Yeah, I'm ready. Yeah, I'm ready. Let's, let's submit

Daniel: our, our three, our three phase, like deprogramming didn't get you there, but this, this guy, this,

Nichole: this guy.

Laurel: But these cool cats

Daniel: are,

Nichole: yeah. These cool cats.

Daniel: Are you ready for a couple photographs?

Yes.

Nichole: Oh, we get to see photos? Yeah.

Daniel: Oh yeah. Oh my God. And this one is especially, photo number one.

Rachelle: Oh my God. He's got the fucking Emmy. Oh my

Nichole: God. Oh my god.

Can, can

you see

it? Oh my

God. He has the Emmy and his swag bag.

Rachelle: Whoa.

Laurel: Like in front of the step and repeat wall?

Daniel: Yes, yes. Oh

Laurel: my God.

Daniel: And he's got like the, the doctor evil, like shaved head, like glasses. This is like a Lex Luther look with the tuxedo. It's good.

Rachelle: It kind of Jeff Bezos. Yeah,

Daniel: yeah, yeah.

Look at his posture in this one too, is like, puffing up his chest. Yeah. He's a

Rachelle: fighter.

Daniel: Hey, he's a cancer fighter. luckily we're still uncertain of whether, uh, Nicole May have cancer or not, so we can, we're under the, we're

under,

Rachelle: we're still under, like,

Nichole: we're

Daniel: under the

Nichole: pause and the grace period where we can make jokes about cancer.

Rachelle: Okay, great.

Daniel: Yeah.

Nichole: Dead. That is okay, but not okay. Okay.

Daniel: Alright. Um, picture number two. You ready?

Dear Lord.

Please.

Rachelle: Could this be all of him and his Emmys? Yeah.

Nichole: Seriously. Is every picture

Rachelle: of him Emmy? Is that three? Is that three Emmys right there?

Daniel: That's three Emmys. Wow. It's a picture of him. Okay. We have a picture of him clutching three Emmys.

Rachelle: Wow.

Nichole: Okay, so he's a multiple Emmy award winner in one night.

Not that he's had a storied career. Multiple Emmys

Daniel: unless he brought his previous Emmys to the Emmys ceremony.

Nichole: Do you wanna see

where

Nichole: you came from?

Daniel: He was only holding the one Emmy in front of the step. And people.

Nichole: Your brothers and

sisters? Yeah.

Laurel: Is that what was in the swag bag?

Rachelle: Wow. What a trip.

Laurel: Yeah.

Rachelle: Okay. Arbitrary rules.

Laurel: they didn't mention anything about

the potential me in that situation.

Daniel: No,

Laurel: there is no me, just the Emmy.

Daniel: I think they take up too much space to consider you as part of the equation.

Laurel: Yeah.

Daniel: It, it might just be like your involvement is just imagining them. Yeah.

Nichole: Or maybe because they're so cosmic, we're already a part of it. Mm. So they don't have to explain what they're looking for.

Yeah. Or just because we're already there, man, already

Rachelle: with me. Yeah. Or maybe they're just willing to take anything they can get, you know, and like these Emmys are like the, the ultimate bait, you know, I, that is wild. But yeah, they didn't care. That seems like what you were about or what you look like. Um,

Daniel: yeah.

How would you, uh, rate them? One to 10?

Rachelle: There were no rules. So zero.

Daniel: Alright.

Rachelle: Is that how we're doing it?

Daniel: Yeah. This may be the first time that

Rachelle: Yeah.

Daniel: Anybody has ever received a zero.

Nichole: I,

Daniel: I am going to go to a two. Mm

Laurel: mm-hmm.

Daniel: And explain

Laurel: yourself.

Daniel: Yeah. oh, I will, I'll, the intensity of how amazing they are supposed to be feels like it is.

A sieve that I have to pass through.

Nichole: Mm.

Daniel: Are you ready for us? I'm like, no. Okay.

Laurel: All right. I am, like, I'm picking up what you're putting down I'm gonna go with a one because I'm suspicious. I'm just like, are they hoping to like, catch somebody in what they think is their totally awesome orbit of like, like how many Emmys do I need to have?

Definitely not more than him, because that would be threatening.

Daniel: Yes.

Laurel: Yes.

Daniel: What if you went on a date and brought four Emmys? Oh

Rachelle: my God. Could you imagine? Yes.

Or do you think you could just bring one Oscar and he'd be like, whoa. Oh shit. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God, And he has to know. That's ridiculous, right? I

Daniel: don't

Rachelle: think so. Or, or is he just like that? I don't.

Laurel: Does he have a secret humiliation?

Rachelle: Oh my God.

Daniel: Do you think he wants you to like shit on his Emmys? Is this, is this part maybe literally, is this part of your, the play? Like are the Emmys part of the sex play?

Rachelle: Whoa.

Daniel: In the scenario? Or he sets them up in the bed as like his orgy. Like there's like.

There's like three other people that I'm inviting and he gives the little

Laurel: voices.

Rachelle: Oh God,

Nichole: yes. I'm gonna suck on your titty.

Self-aggrandizement.

Daniel: Uh, 10. Oh boy.

Laurel: Yeah. 10, 10. 10. 10. 10. Multiple pictures with your Emmys.

Rachelle: Yeah. Yeah.

Laurel: Step and repeat wall. Holy shit. And also just the rest of it.

Nichole: I'm shocked That I gave them a 10 because I didn't see them on a boat.

There was

Laurel: no boat.

Nichole: There wasn't a boat. That's usually what puts it over the edge for me. Three

Rachelle: mes equals a boat. Wow. A lot of three

Nichole: mes equals a boat.

Daniel: Three mes equals like two boats at least.

Rachelle: A lot of unicorn hunters own boats, huh? Oh,

Daniel: And a lot of times it's like stolen boat valor. It's like somebody else's boat.

Rachelle: Oh yeah. Yeah. You rented a pontoon boat on the willam alert. Whatever. Yeah,

Laurel: we should do that. Take pictures.

Rachelle: I've done it once. It's quite fine.

Yeah, do it.

Daniel: We should get, we should get, we should get like a, um, a Tom Sawyer raft.

Rachelle: Oh hell yeah.

Daniel: Uh, okay. Yeah. So this might be the most self-aggrandizing profile we've ever looked at.

Rachelle: Really?

Daniel: Yeah. I This is up there.

Laurel: Yeah. This is really, damn.

Rachelle: It's up there with the

Laurel: cults. Yes.

Rachelle: Uh,

Daniel: we unicorn.

Laurel: Like I have a morbid curiosity.

Rachelle: It would be a good

Laurel: story. I also wanna steal an Emmy.

Daniel: That's fun. Oh my God. would you like, be like, I'll only hook up with you if I get to take one of your Emmy's home?

Nichole: Oh,

Laurel: no. He would never, never, but I would be like, I wanna see, I want your Emmy's to sleep with us.

I will make it a weird sex thing so that I can sneak out with an Emmy.

Daniel: I can only get, I need your

Rachelle: Emmy's to watch.

Daniel: I can only get off in proximity to Emmy's.

Rachelle: I'm gonna piss all over your Emmy's. You can polish it with my ear and, yeah. Wow.

Daniel: So are you saying yes?

Laurel: No.

Daniel: Nicole?

No. And Rochelle,

Rachelle: I think, yeah. It'd be a good story. Why not? Yeah. Yeah. It see would be a good story. Why not? I've never slept with anyone else in my life. Let's, let's make this my step, my number two baby.

Daniel: You have to fucking put the pressure on because of like, you're like, I never intended to sleep with anybody else in my entire life.

Rachelle: Oh,

Daniel: but you,

Rachelle: that would be such an ego trip for him. Dude. He would

Daniel: really

Rachelle: love that.

Daniel: The promise.

Rachelle: Yeah.

Daniel: Your boner. Amazing.

Rachelle: Yeah.

Laurel: Amazing.

Rachelle: Oh, he would eat that up. And that would pegan. With an Emmy.

Do they have a point? I forget what it looks like.

Daniel: There is a flared base